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    Quote Originally Posted by amante View Post
    I kind of agree with the train drivers here in Auckland striking about removing guards/conductors whatever you want to call them from suburban trains and having just a driver.

    There are some real dickheads and deviants on the trains and with the driver up front away from what's going on ( unlike a bus ) there needs to be someone else on the train. Otherwise we are going to see an increase in both physical and sexual assaults happening.
    Yeah exactly!
    I don't think they have CCTV on these trains?
    A few have been graffiti bombed at stations.

    In Aussie, USA. UK , Europe they have actual roving transport police on them due to all the problems ...

    Classic example of saving money at the front end only to have to pay 5X more at the other end.
    Plus train travel numbers are going up all the time so cutting costs seems backwards?

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    I saw a bit about this on TV3 News now . The union guy , predictably , was a Pom . Aye Oop , our comrades won't be safe .

    And equally as predictably , the Manager said that they do have a monitored CCTV system installed , plus the 'Roving Monitors" , that they will roster on more at the problem times , and the rest of the time , there will be less , but they mix them across all the trains , so anyone on there won't know if these guys are or aren't on there .

    I have no idea if the train operators are in it for the long term , but if they are , they'd be stupid to make the 'train experience' less attractive than it already is ( the 2 or 3 times I've been on Trains in Auckland , it's always felt less appealing than the buses -- and that's not saying much ) .

    The Manager guy stated that the Auckland staffing will be at the same levels as Melbourne , Sydney , Toronoto and London .

    So who knows -- but strikes probably aren't going to win any public support .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Cornelius Platinum View Post
    I saw a bit about this on TV3 News now . The union guy , predictably , was a Pom . Aye Oop , our comrades won't be safe .

    And equally as predictably , the Manager said that they do have a monitored CCTV system installed , plus the 'Roving Monitors" , that they will roster on more at the problem times , and the rest of the time , there will be less , but they mix them across all the trains , so anyone on there won't know if these guys are or aren't on there .

    I have no idea if the train operators are in it for the long term , but if they are , they'd be stupid to make the 'train experience' less attractive than it already is ( the 2 or 3 times I've been on Trains in Auckland , it's always felt less appealing than the buses -- and that's not saying much ) .

    The Manager guy stated that the Auckland staffing will be at the same levels as Melbourne , Sydney , Toronoto and London .

    So who knows -- but strikes probably aren't going to win any public support .


    So Platz you've made your mind up on trains after taking '2 or 3 trips on an Auckland train' .. I guess you now qualify for a job on the Waikato DHB or the HCC lol . The closest thing Hamilton ever had to a central train line was the choo choo train at the lake. But that was a long time ago.

    Trains are brilliant. I can take a bus from right outside my house and go just about anywhere but I more often just take one to the local train station ( 10 minutes ) then take the train from there onwards. No traffic congestion worries and so quick. Can go the CBD and not have to worry about car parks or have a few drinks and not worry about driving pissed.

    As for the strike not having public support ... you couldn't be more wrong ( which you so often are lol ) sure people are a bit pissed about having to make alternative arrangements today but they are more pissed at the transport company for trying to make trains run with just a driver. The majority of people I've spoken to support the drivers on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amante View Post
    So Platz you've made your mind up on trains after taking '2 or 3 trips on an Auckland train' .. I guess you now qualify for a job on the Waikato DHB or the HCC lol . The closest thing Hamilton ever had to a central train line was the choo choo train at the lake. But that was a long time ago.

    Trains are brilliant. I can take a bus from right outside my house and go just about anywhere but I more often just take one to the local train station ( 10 minutes ) then take the train from there onwards. No traffic congestion worries and so quick. Can go the CBD and not have to worry about car parks or have a few drinks and not worry about driving pissed.

    As for the strike not having public support ... you couldn't be more wrong ( which you so often are lol ) sure people are a bit pissed about having to make alternative arrangements today but they are more pissed at the transport company for trying to make trains run with just a driver. The majority of people I've spoken to support the drivers on this one.
    On the fucken money Amante.

    Radio NZ had extensive coverage this morning, universal support for train staff from the public and then the company man tried to explain their position and failed.

    Dubai has a commuter train that is totally automated and works fairly well - but they have a dedicated police force for transport systems.

    Vancouver has the Sky train (which is totally awesome btw), fully automated trains but they have staff on the trains, at the stations etc and a dedicated law enforcement service.

    So, it can work and maybe it can be done right. Sadly, Auckland Transport does not have a great track record of success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruggy View Post

    Dubai has a commuter train that is totally automated and works fairly well - but they have a dedicated police force for transport systems.

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    so let me see ... we can have a guard on a train or we can have Dubai's law and justice system ... hard choice that

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruggy View Post
    .............So, it can work and maybe it can be done right. Sadly, Auckland Transport does not have a great track record of success.
    Public transport is always a catch 22 during its infancy. The cost of infrastructure is huge, and if it isn't extensive and regular, people just wont use it, and there is no revenue to pay for it all.

    It also requires a massive shift in mindset. Look at the difference between say Los Angeles and Amsterdam. The yanks will drive everywhere, but many Dutch people don't even own a car.

    I actually rather like the Singapore model where vehicles entering the inner city are taxed on every entry (I presume it is still the same)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Sailor View Post
    Public transport is always a catch 22 during its infancy. The cost of infrastructure is huge, and if it isn't extensive and regular, people just wont use it, and there is no revenue to pay for it all.

    It also requires a massive shift in mindset. Look at the difference between say Los Angeles and Amsterdam. The yanks will drive everywhere, but many Dutch people don't even own a car.

    I actually rather like the Singapore model where vehicles entering the inner city are taxed on every entry (I presume it is still the same)
    A bit like comparing chalk and cheese. Amsterdam is a compressed city and flat, the city of bicycles which you can park and ride. Singapore is also small in area and very heavily populated. Public transport in a small area with a large population is easier and economical.

    LA is like Auckland .. massive urban sprawl. I think Auckland still does it way better than LA. It's far from perfect but it is pretty good all things considered. I can take public transport to the city and back for less than an hours car parking in the CBD and during peak times way faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Sailor View Post
    Public transport is always a catch 22 during its infancy. The cost of infrastructure is huge, and if it isn't extensive and regular, people just wont use it, and there is no revenue to pay for it all.

    It also requires a massive shift in mindset. Look at the difference between say Los Angeles and Amsterdam. The yanks will drive everywhere, but many Dutch people don't even own a car.

    I actually rather like the Singapore model where vehicles entering the inner city are taxed on every entry (I presume it is still the same)
    Mindset change - yes and the fuel tax should help there, but there needs to be a usable alternative. London has the congestion charge and has a great public transport system. Auckland's "system" is getting there - some leadership from central govt over the last 50 years would have been helpful.

    LA - it is just like Auckland, freeways full of cars going slowly with one person in each car (mostly).

    San Fran has the BART system which is very easy to use and efficient. First time i went up there, a nice taxi driver said to me "I'll take you to XYZ, but it will cost you about $100 (USD), you should take the BART and pay a few $'s and get there in a fifth of the time."

    I tipped him and did exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruggy View Post
    ............. London has the congestion charge and has a great public transport system. ............
    True, but I suspect they still need a change in mindset. They could double the roading infrastructure into London, and it would still take 3 hours to get in during peak hour, because the number who take a car to work would increase. It seems 3 hours is what London commuters will accept, or at least that's what it used to be.

    Poms still love their cars, other Europeans not so much.

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