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    And as far as parlours losing market share , I'm not sure . Here in Hamilton , 4 or 5 places ( including SM ) have closed in the last 4 years , but we are busy . On NZG , there doesn't seem to be anywhere near as many independents as there were a few years ago , and the newspaper ads have declined a lot too .

    We regularly get girls who have worked independently wanting to work for us , a lot either aren't suitable or don't work out , so I'm not 100% sure .

    My guess is that there are currently less girls working compared to 5 or 10 years ago , both in parlours and independently , but as many guys still around -- maybe the guys are more selective , but the better girls still do well .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Cornelius Platinum View Post
    ......................We , as a legal licensed parlour , have spent $1000's getting and staying legal , and would lose all of that if we had illegal girls working . Whereas the illegal parlours have basically nothing to lose , so don't care ............... .
    You have my sympathy on this. I found when it comes to enforcement of similar issues, the controlling body (always a govt dept) tend to target the compliant operators. They make their KPI's on people who have invested a lot in meeting their legal requirements, so they are unlikely to make the compliance officers job hard.

    Its a win for the inspector, because there is almost no risk of confrontation during the audit. Its a win for govt, because they get to report a high rate of compliance for statistics. The ones who miss out are the ones who are compliant.

    Its always the ones breaking the rules who get the biggest win, and that's wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Sailor View Post
    You have my sympathy on this. I found when it comes to enforcement of similar issues, the controlling body (always a govt dept) tend to target the compliant operators. They make their KPI's on people who have invested a lot in meeting their legal requirements, so they are unlikely to make the compliance officers job hard.

    Its a win for the inspector, because there is almost no risk of confrontation during the audit. Its a win for govt, because they get to report a high rate of compliance for statistics. The ones who miss out are the ones who are compliant.

    Its always the ones breaking the rules who get the biggest win, and that's wrong.

    Yeap the same for firearms.
    I have a very expensive gun safe, everybody with a license gets audited once every so many years while people without a license (guess who these people are) NADA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    Someone told me this.....

    Why wasn't Jesus born in Hamilton???







    Could not find 3 wise men and a virgin.
    Is there a correlation between how little there is to do in a city and how much rooting goes on in it?

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    There's lots of bars , so sometimes even ugly people get laid . . . . . . . .

    As far as 3 wise men , Hamilton really only needs Hello Sailor and me . . . . . . . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    Yeap the same for firearms.
    I have a very expensive gun safe, everybody with a license gets audited once every so many years while people without a license (guess who these people are) NADA.
    Yep. Exactly the same underlying issue.

    Finding a retired cop to do audits on hunters and target shooters is easy. Not a bad job: Make a phone call, meet the person involved, cup of tea, bit of a chat, look at the gun safe, sign off the paperwork.

    Now compare that to raiding the Headhunters to seize illegal firearms, and now you are talking a whole different ball game.

    Human nature is always going to favor the safe option, but that just isn't the option that is in the best public interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    ................Why wasn't Jesus born in Hamilton???...........
    Apparently Mary did ask, but at the time we had a very strict policy on entry, and we had to decline the request based on failure to meet prerequisites.

    Like many towns, we have since had to relax the policy due to government pressure. Hamilton now has to deal with an influx of Aucklanders, and the social issues they bring with them. As a result, Hamilton is not the Utopia it once was, but fortunately it does remain very close to that ideal.

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    Fantastic, Plats, Croc and Sailor. Interesting thoughts about how the Aussie market compares. Now IíM in the mood for waffling...

    Iíve always found it interesting that, for ladies working indoors, it is mainly the illegal ladies who comprise of both ends of the price scale here in NZ and who may share the same clients. The Asian group - in general, obviously not all could fit any stereotype - seem to have a well-thought out strategy (bait and switch, 24 hour availability, rock bottom prices) while staying true to themselves (not waxing off their pubes, like it or lump it efficient service) whereas the Euro/Brazilians seem a little less tactical - or not, I havenít heard enough of their ongoing success rate to come to conclusions, so Iím basing this on their presentation as ads/photos/blurb/services/prices. Or maybe itís just the chalk and cheese aspect of street-based workers and their reputed service/prices versus well turned out ladies who work from high end motels seeing clients for much longer bookings and assumptions around them.

    I really find this aspect, the ďpersonaĒ aspect of sex work plus marketing, whether deliberate or not, utterly fascinating. Iíve conducted a few experiments of my own. Guess Iím a bit of a marketing geek. Iím always observing how ladies, especially those Iíve actually met, do it or have done it - Iíve seen (what I would term) various and some predictable successes (and sadly failures).

    Obviously as more ladies enter the industry especially with different groups of persona, (nationality-based), clients have a lot more choice of where to put their spend. Unless ladies have more fluid personae, I canít see how it would not impact on local ladies, as you previously mentioned, Plats.

    However, it would also open up different opportunities for many who offer services for sex workers, offering advertising services (I believe a couple of sex workers have gone down this route), photographers (again, there are a couple of sex workers doing this), accommodation providers (many sub-let their accommodation), drivers, website people, (I know of at least two ladies who offer sites/hosting), phone minders etc etc etc. Of course this is happening now when it is illegal for foreigners without residency to work here. With the unique knowledge of the market that local sex workers have, could a change in the law around immigration, opening up the industry to foreign sex workers, while decreasing opportunities for kiwis who wish to do sex work themselves, increase business opportunities for those with a knowledge and passion for the NZ sex industry, ie ladies/brothel-owners (or even clients) presently doing it?

    Hypothetically speaking of course because it will probably never actually happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmberOhara View Post
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    With the unique knowledge of the market that local sex workers have, could a change in the law around immigration, opening up the industry to foreign sex workers, while decreasing opportunities for kiwis who wish to do sex work themselves, increase business opportunities for those with a knowledge and passion for the NZ sex industry, ie ladies/brothel-owners (or even clients) presently doing it?

    Hypothetically speaking of course because it will probably never actually happen.
    Of course. The sex industry is no different to any other. Those who are successful have established what their customers actually want and value, and learnt how to provide it. A car dealer knows what cars to import, and how to attract buyers; a WG knows what a punter looks for, what they expect, and where they will go looking for it.

    You are talking about selling that knowledge (and potentially infrastructure) to people who don't already have it, which is essentially what a franchise is. The downside is that once you have conveyed the knowledge, there is less motivation for the franchisee to allow you to continue clipping the ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmberOhara View Post
    I barely have time to comment on AF let alone do all that stuff, but you were obviously taking the piss anyway so all good. And as I said immigration are clearly too busy right now so no one has anything to worry about, least of all ladies in NZ illegally working in the sex industry. If NZG feel that none of their advertisers are illegally working without having adequate visa status, so be it.

    I’m more interested now in contemplating how our industry and even society would look if or when sex work in NZ is legal for anyone in the world who chooses (or doesn’t choose as the case may be) to work here?

    Any thoughts? Anyone think this could be a likely scenario? Could we break new ground (again) in the world and maybe become a sex industry-based tourist drawcard? Could sex work be the new visitors’ attraction? Would this open up more possibilities for male sex workers (as wouldn’t Lady tourists also want some fun, or should they just take up sex work for the duration of their trip?)

    No idea too wacky here.
    I don't speak for NZG but i do imagine if enough escorts got together and pledged that they'd be willing to pay more for their advertising, provide certified proof of their ability to work in NZ (Citizenship certificate , passport, etc) AND that they would not advertise anywhere that didn't require all this in order to make that a requirement for all escorts on the site, then they probably would be willing to do Immigration & the agencies job and put the extra effort in to confirm the immigration status of every single escort on the site. But how many do you think would be willing to do this? how much extra would it be worth? how many would just immediately go to BPage where not even government intervention (short of forcing ISP's to block it) could stop them from advertising illegal workers?



    My thoughts on immigration policy: there should be some kind of middle ground between what we have now and a complete open policy where a foreign escort could apply for a Working (girl) Visa, either temporarily or with the intent to move to permanent residency, it should cost more and have more stringent requirements than a regular Visa, maybe they should also be required to have a list of local agencies (and a referral from at least one of them) they intend to work with that have a good standing with Immigration and NZPC. That way a cut of the money spent on these escort's services goes through our local economy and it incentivises higher prices so as not to undercut the locals. Sure people will still try to get through on regular Visas but the extra money brought in via the legit visiting escorts could go to policing that.

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