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    . Hamilton now has to deal with an influx of Aucklanders, and the social issues they bring with them.
    You mean things like decent coffee, cafes, bars etc. Not to mention peoples expectations of house interiors with taste. Can't get away with the orange shagpile carpet and fake plastic wood panelling anymore as much as Platz still embraces the look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adult Forum View Post
    I don't speak for NZG but i do imagine if enough escorts got together and pledged that they'd be willing to pay more for their advertising, provide certified proof of their ability to work in NZ (Citizenship certificate , passport, etc) AND that they would not advertise anywhere that didn't require all this in order to make that a requirement for all escorts on the site, then they probably would be willing to do Immigration & the agencies job and put the extra effort in to confirm the immigration status of every single escort on the site. But how many do you think would be willing to do this?
    I doubt that any working girl would be willing to pay extra for nzg to do the right thing by them as it were, that includes allowing them the freedom to advertise elsewhere without penalty. We all know that this last point is something many New Zealand working girls already feel strongly about hence the lengths some have gone to in the past (and present) and the vocal loss of goodwill towards nzg. But that’s a separate issue again. I’ve always been the one sticking up for nzg and pointing out that we working girls need nzg/af in these discussions and thank god you’re not speaking for nzg as quite frankly I find the above requirements and expectations that legal sex workers should pay to keep out the illegal ones quite offensive.

    However I also have a sympathy as I see in some ways nzg is caught between a rock and a hard place: even though nzg is clearly the market leader for online highish-end escort advertising, if it was to cut out the illegals and they were to advertise “elsewhere” online in nz, the numbers of advertisers on nzg would be greatly reduced which would make the other site look like the market leader if the illegal ones switched over to the other site(s). Which is the whole point of forcing ladies to be exclusive to nzg.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adult Forum View Post
    My thoughts on immigration policy: there should be some kind of middle ground between what we have now and a complete open policy where a foreign escort could apply for a Working (girl) Visa, either temporarily or with the intent to move to permanent residency, it should cost more and have more stringent requirements than a regular Visa, maybe they should also be required to have a list of local agencies (and a referral from at least one of them) they intend to work with that have a good standing with Immigration and NZPC. That way a cut of the money spent on these escort's services goes through our local economy and it incentivises higher prices so as not to undercut the locals. Sure people will still try to get through on regular Visas but the extra money brought in via the legit visiting escorts could go to policing that.
    Yes! Just as society thought sex work would never be legal and it has become so, there is a possibility that something like this will happen. Your idea seems workable to me.

    After all, if there are financial benefits to be gained (like Australia with their various licences revenue), perhaps that would be put towards immigration locating and deporting the ones who try to get around it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmberOhara View Post
    I doubt that any working girl would be willing to pay extra for nzg to do the right thing by them as it were, that includes allowing them the freedom to advertise elsewhere without penalty.
    So no amount, even if it was $10 more? If felicity's made up 50% figure turned out to be accurate, cutting the competition to half would be worth quite a bit more i would think?

    and i didn't say exclusive, I said "would not advertise anywhere that didn't require all this" so does that mean you only want NZG to "do right"? and take on the extra cost and loss of business for it? seems a bit unfair, maybe even offensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmberOhara View Post
    ................that includes allowing them the freedom to advertise elsewhere without penalty. We all know that this last point is something many New Zealand working girls already feel strongly about hence the lengths some have gone to in the past (and present) and the vocal loss of goodwill towards nzg...................
    OK, I will brave treading in the unpopular once again in an attempt to get some balance........

    Where you say 'allowing them the freedom to advertise elsewhere without penalty' would it be equally valid to say NZG are providing an incentive for ladies to advertise exclusively with NZG? Same situation, different spin?

    I know ladies are often very protective of their client base, particularly their regulars. This is completely understandable, after all it is their business mainstay. Why would they just surrender this hard earned customer base to another WG, unless that WG could reciprocate?

    The same could be said for NZG. I remember back when NZG were becoming established, they placed vast amounts of radio advertising to drive potential punters to the site. That was a massive investment, can you blame them for wanting to protect that investment? They can't stop competition any more than ladies can stop more girls entering the industry, but it makes no sense to just lay down and make it easy for the competition.

    NZG effectively made the industry viable for independent girls, and somewhere there will be a balance between what is a fair charge, versus a reasonable expectation of loyalty from their clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adult Forum View Post
    So no amount, even if it was $10 more? If felicity's made up 50% figure turned out to be accurate, cutting the competition to half would be worth quite a bit more i would think?

    and i didn't say exclusive, I said "would not advertise anywhere that didn't require all this" so does that mean you only want NZG to "do right"? and take on the extra cost and loss of business for it? seems a bit unfair, maybe even offensive.
    As I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by AmberOhara View Post
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    However I also have a sympathy as I see in some ways nzg is caught between a rock and a hard place: even though nzg is clearly the market leader for online highish-end escort advertising, if it was to cut out the illegals and they were to advertise “elsewhere” online in nz, the numbers of advertisers on nzg would be greatly reduced which would make the other site look like the market leader if the illegal ones switched over to the other site(s). Which is the whole point of forcing ladies to be exclusive to nzg.
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    And for that reason, even if every legal nzg advertiser agreed to pay even just $10 more, then all the illegal ones presently on nzg would advertise “elsewhere” where they wouldn’t have to produce documentation etc etc, and the other site would be the perceived market leader (even if it wasn’t earning as much) as it would have more ladies. Yes, that’s how high the number of illegal workers could be. Significant.

    So in some ways, if you wanted to work illegally in nz as a sex worker, even if you are forced to stay with the market-leader, presently nzg, because of their exclusivity rule where you would be looked after and deal with nice people who seem to believe you are legally entitled to work here and don’t treat you like you’re a criminal it’s good for you but therefore it’s in the best interests of legal local ladies for the locals to jump ship and establish market dominance elsewhere by supporting other online advertising providers. Which I believe some are actively trying to do.

    This could be worrying in its own way for the NZ sex industry, if it left most of the illegals hypothetically of course with nzg who could at any moment lose the majority of their advertisers if the new anti-immigration labour govt, with foreigner-friendly Winnie as one of their coalition partners, have a crackdown on working girls not legally entitled to work in nz. I still believe nzg with af and all their related resources are the best we’ve got, it would be devastating if their client base decreased and we lost them.

    So it’s important for advertising agencies and sites to never lose the goodwill of their reliable captive market: local NZ working girls who are legally entitled to work here.

    I’m not trying to be a smart Alec here, just playing devil’s advocate. I appreciate your replies, Mr AF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmberOhara View Post
    As I said:


    This could be worrying in its own way for the NZ sex industry, if it left most of the illegals hypothetically of course with nzg who could at any moment lose the majority of their advertisers if the new anti-immigration labour govt, with foreigner-friendly Winnie as one of their coalition partners, have a crackdown on working girls not legally entitled to work in nz. I still believe nzg with af and all their related resources are the best we’ve got, it would be devastating if their client base decreased and we lost them.

    So it’s important for advertising agencies and sites to never lose the goodwill of their reliable captive market: local NZ working girls who are legally entitled to work here.

    I’m not trying to be a smart Alec here, just playing devil’s advocate. I appreciate your replies, Mr AF.
    I hear you but from a Political aspect nothing is going to happen - status quo will rule. Why?

    Much more important things on the agenda, no MP will touch this. You would be a blind man trying to get out of a mine field with snipers (opposition) taking pot shots at the same time....
    It would also loose focus on the things they are about......this is very granular / niche much more bigger fish to fry.
    NOTE: this would be from both ends of the spectrum -Law for WG Visa's or deporting WG due to them breaking their Visa conditions.

    BUT if you had a "critical event/s" this could change but it would have to get real traction over a large % of New Zealanders .... i.e. something like.....

    1) Massive proven WG overseas trafficking into NZ?

    2) Large out break of STD / HIV via overseas hookers working in NZ?

    3) Overseas Crime Syndicates setting up and using hooking as one of their cash business?

    The 3rd one has already been tried by the Triads and the Russians many years ago but it was shut down very quickly.
    The other 2 or something else is very unlikely IMO.
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