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    Quote Originally Posted by madg13 View Post
    Does this actually work in reality? I have my doubts. It would all depend on the type of blurring wouldn't it? ............
    This was a very high profile case a while back. Police did exactly that to identify him:

    Convicted ‘swirl face’ pedophile Christopher Neil to live in Vancouver | Vancouver Sun

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    Quote Originally Posted by madg13 View Post
    I would like to incorporate food photography with boudoir photography however. Lol! Now that would make for a fun (although probably messy) shoot.
    Food could be one way of masking the face.
    Yes! The problem (of identity concealment) gets turned around and solved with a creative solution that looks like it was done for its own sake!

    Taking this topic an extreme - I have a couple of very talented friends who are body painters. I bet they could paint a WGs face up so that she looked awesome but you couldn't tell who she was. Not at all sure that would work for a WG though (as in not the kind of photo she is after) but having one in the selection she uses could be cool i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Sailor View Post
    This was a very high profile case a while back. Police did exactly that to identify him
    i remember that guy. Some tech wizard spent forever figuring out an algorithm to reverse the direction of his swirl so they could track him down. Hats off to the tech wizard. As I remember it the guy had been posting sick videos of kids for years.

    Photoshop blur does work well for obscuring identity because as long as someone doesn't have the original unflattened version you can't unblur it. A photoshop surgeon could 'paint' a new face on it but the old one is gone forever if we are talking about a jpg or (flattened) TIFF file.

    But...I'm a snob so if its a choice between the two, I'd rather go with the food option!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traveller41^ View Post
    Photoshop blur does work well for obscuring identity because as long as someone doesn't have the original unflattened version you can't unblur it. A photoshop surgeon could 'paint' a new face on it but the old one is gone forever if we are talking about a jpg or (flattened) TIFF file.
    I think we're pretty safe with the blur options - as you say, it's a destructive process. A swirl has all of the detail there, it's just...well....swirled. So the data can be unswirled. Unlike blur.



    But...I'm a snob so if its a choice between the two, I'd rather go with the food option![/QUOTE]

    I can see the picture forming now. Sexy lady leaning back in a recliner, large feather fanning her while she feeds herself grapes with her head leaning back to hide her features. Lovely shot.
    Any contenders for this great image out there? PM me.

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    What about photos using bananas , cucumbers and the like ? Then no-one will look at the face !

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    We could do great WG photography and food photography all at the same time! Endless possibilities!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Cornelius Platinum View Post
    What about photos using bananas , cucumbers and the like ? Then no-one will look at the face !
    I guess it all depends where said items are.

    I did have a great photo of @*Peaches* seductively licking or kissing a banana in one of the photoshoots with her. Unfortunately it couldn't be used due to discretion reasons (showing her face quite clearly).
    It's sad as it was a great shot showing her amazing eyes and full red lips. It would have made any man weak at the knees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traveller41^ View Post
    We could do great WG photography and food photography all at the same time! Endless possibilities!
    There's also the cake sitting fetish or feet in food for the foot fetishists. Now that would be a good combination for a shoot.
    Leads naturally to the shower shooting scene or the french maid scene cleaning up.

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    In regards to MsAva's photos @Traveller41^ you have mailed it in the head regarding her technique for revealing just enough face to make it relatable but still enough to be discreet.

    Is a real mind set that you've got to be in for taking the discreet photos. It's always got to be in the back of your mind that the face (and tattoos) will not than likely be removed. So the setup and the model position should be setup in such a way to avoid these if possible otherwise there's a significantly larger amount of post production required. This can make the difference of a few hours to process to a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madg13 View Post
    Is a real mind set that you've got to be in for taking the discreet photos.
    My doco subjects have included religious groups (I'm not religious but they fascinate me) and homeless people. With the last one I photographed people who had family who didn't know they were living on the street and didn't want them to find out so I had to be inventive about ways around that. Empathy helps, its a huge leap of trust for someone to allow a photographer to take pics that could identify them and then walk out the door. Also, loads of photographers are dickheads and also mistake permission to take a photo for permission to use it. Not cool when you are working with anything sensitive.

    One thing that wedding photography has taught me is that even the most beautiful women can have body image issues. I've learned to ask in a gentle way and they always tell me and I take that into account when shooting. Never met a female client that wasn't really pragmatic about that. The men are a different story though, they never tell me and it only after when we are all looking at them together that I'm told "I'm a bit self-conscious about my bald spot". It's too late now son, but if you'd told me earlier.... The hardest male one is men who are self-conscious about being shorter than their partner. THAT can sometimes be hard to get around but there is always something that can be done.

    Body image is massively complex. I like to choose 3 or 4 of my preferred images from a wedding and enlarge them and hand those over when they get everything else. These are freebies and I don't tell clients I'm going to do it because I like to pick them myself. TWICE I've done that with an enlarged image that I think is absolutely stunning and she is going to love it.......and as soon as she sees it - "My arms look fat in that"

    Crushed.

    If I was doing a WG shoot, I'd ask her about about her personal body image issues. Women are women regardless of what they do and in my experience even the most gorgeous and confident ones are exposed to all sorts of judgement including from other women. In the special case of WGs - there are also reviews which can be insensitive and downright mean AND out there for the world to read. I can't imagine what that must be like.

    Possibly a bit of mansplaining going on here. Just my take on photographing women who (on their wedding day) are under pressure to be everything they and others expect them to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by madg13 View Post
    otherwise there's a significantly larger amount of post production required. This can make the difference of a few hours to process to a few days.
    Right and who's got time for that! Get it right 'in camera' and you don't have to spend those wasted hours. Exceptions do occur but if I catch myself thinking 'I can fix that later in photoshop', I give myself a mental uppercut and rethink what I'm doing.

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